Perfect Questions, Perfect Answers
Discussions between Peace Corps Worker Bob Cohen
and His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.
These excerpts deal with the personality of Lord Jesus Christ
Bob: Prabhupada, people that engage in religions, like
these "Jesus freaks" and other people, claim that Jesus
is guiding them. Can this be so?
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, but they are not taking the guidance.
Just like the Christians. Jesus is guiding them, "Thou shalt
not kill," but they are killing. Where is the Jesus guidance?
Simply saying, "I am guided by Jesus Christ"-will that
do? "But I don't care for his words." Is that guidance?
Nobody is being guided by Jesus Christ. Their claim is false.
It is very hard to find a man who is actually being guided by
Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ's guidance is available, but nobody
is caring for him. They have taken Jesus Christ as contractor
to take up their sins. That is their philosophy. They commit
all kinds of sins, and poor Jesus Christ will be responsible.
That is their religion. Therefore they say, "We have a very
good religion. For all our sinful activities, Jesus Christ will
die." So is that good religion? They have no sympathy for
Jesus Christ. He died for our sins. Why should we commit sins
again? Such a great life has been sacrificed for our sins, so
we should be guided by Jesus Christ. But if you take it otherwise-"Ah,
we shall go on committing all sins, and Jesus Christ will make
a contract to nullify all my sins; I'll simply go to the church
and confess and come back and again do all nonsense"-do
you think that shows very good intelligence?
Srila Prabhupada: Actually, one who is guided by Jesus
Christ will certainly get liberation. But it is very hard to
find a man who is actually being guided by Jesus Christ.
Bob: What about the "Jesus freaks," the young
people that have joined the Jesus movement? They read the Bible
very often, and they try to-
Srila Prabhupada: But violence is against the Bible's
injunctions. How can they kill if they are following the Bible?
Bob: I asked one this, and he claimed that Jesus was also
eating meat in the Bible.
Srila Prabhupada: That's all right. He may eat anything.
He is powerful. But he has ordered, "Thou shalt not kill.
You must stop killing." He is powerful. He can eat the whole
world. But you cannot compare to Jesus Christ. You cannot imitate
Jesus Christ; you have to abide by his order. Then you are guided
by Jesus Christ. That is actually obedience. That is explained
in the Bhagavata. One who is isvara, who is empowered, can do
anything, but we cannot imitate. We have to abide by his order:
"What he says to me, that I will do." You cannot imitate.
You say that Jesus Christ ate meat. Admitting that, you do not
know in what condition he ate meat. He is himself eating meat,
but he is advising others not to kill. Do you think that Jesus
Christ was contradicting himself?
Srila Prabhupada: He cannot do that. That is real faith
in him-that he cannot do that. So why has he eaten meat? He knows,
but he has asked me not to kill. I have to follow. That is the
real system. You are not Jesus Christ; you cannot imitate him.
He has sacrificed his life for God. Can you
do that? So why shall you imitate Jesus Christ? You are imitating
Jesus Christ by eating meat. Why not imitate Jesus Christ and
sacrifice your life for spreading God consciousness? What do
you think? Yes, when you preach you can say what you think. They
are so-called Christians-but what are they doing for God? Just
consider the sun. The sun is absorbing urine. Can you drink urine?
If you want to imitate the sun-"Oh, here is the sun absorbing
urine. Let me drink urine"-can you? Jesus Christ is powerful;
he can do everything. But we cannot imitate; we have to simply
abide by his order. That is real Christianity. We cannot imitate
a powerful man. That is wrong. In our Vedic literature, there
was a poison ocean, so people could not find out what to do with
it. Then Lord Siva said, "All right, I'll drink it."
So he drank the whole poison ocean and kept it in his throat.
Can you drink poison? Not the ocean-just one cup? So how can
we imitate Lord Siva? Lord Siva never advised that we drink poison.
So you have to abide by the advice, not imitate. These LSD and
marijuana people say that Lord Siva used to smoke ganja. But
Lord Siva drank the whole poisoned ocean. Can you do that? Lord
Siva's instructions should be taken. He says that the best worship
is worship of Visnu. Visnor aradhanam param. When he was asked
by Parvati what method of worship is best, then he said, "The
best worship is worship of Lord Visnu [Krsna]." There are
many demigods, but he recommended Visnu worship as the best.
And better than Visnu worship is worship of a Vaisnava. Tadiyanam-His
servants, or those who are in relation to Him. For instance,
we are worshiping this plant, tulasi. We are not worshiping all
plants, but because this tulasi has a very intimate connection
with Krsna, Visnu, we are therefore worshiping her. Similarly,
if anything is intimately related with Krsna, worship of that
thing is better than worship of Visnu.